Hello. This is John Robles Rick Rozoff, I am speaking with Rick Rozoff the Owner and Manager of the Stop NATO website and international mailing list. This is a regular feature of the Voice of Russia.
Robles: Can you give us an update on what is going on with NATO? A lot of stuff is going on, a lot of attention on Ukraine. And I’d like to ask you about Ukraine. But, first, what is going on with NATO right now?
Rozoff: It is acting true to its new purpose in the post cold war period, as an international military block. For example, just in the last week or so, for the first time ever, a delegation from the NATO military committee, and the military committee in its full form consists of the military chiefs of staff, of all the 28 full NATO members, visited Georgia. And this again is a first, it is unprecedented, and clearly acknowledging, or demonstrating how strategically important Georgia is to NATO’s Eurasia, but ultimately European plans. That is number one.
NATO’s also commenced its air patrols over the North-Atlantic nation of Iceland including warplanes of both Finland and Sweden with the expressed intention of further integrating Finland and Sweden, with an expressed intention of further integrating Finland and Sweden. Of course Finland has a lengthy border with Russia, those two countries into NATO as ultimately four NATO members.
We have to recall that both those nations have troops fighting under NATO command with the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) in Afghanistan, that Sweden has supplied Griffin military aircraft for the war against Libya 3 years ago (in parts of the word).
Also, the NATO warships have docked in both Puntland, which is a semi-autonomous, really at this point, an independent part of Somalia as well as in the Seychelles, an island nation in the Indian Ocean of the east coast of Africa in recent days. This is part of the permanent NATO military operation, military presence in the Indian Ocean called Ocean Shield, which complements their permanent military naval deployment in the Mediterranean, Active Endeavor, and so forth.
We also noticed the first US guided-missile-warship arriving at the Rota Naval Base in Spain, on the Atlantic coast of Spain, as part of what eventually will be 4 US warships with interceptor missiles, part of the European phased adaptive approach, but ultimately part of the international US and Allied missile shield program, interceptor missile program. So, this gives you some indication of what is going on throughout the world.
There have been other initiatives by NATO in other parts of the world, including in Africa most notably, something that isn’t directly NATO but for all the difference it make, it may as well be. Just a few days ago, in Brussels, which is the headquarters of both the European Union and NATO, the European Union announced a joint military operation in the Central African Republic (CAR). This is done through the military committee of the European Union, comparable to what was done in neighboring Chad a few years ago.
But it is noteworthy that NATO has recruited several non-EU member states to provide troops for that mission including Georgia, Serbia, Canada, Norway, Turkey and the US. This was at an alleged Fourth Generation Conference in Brussels on February the 13th, 5 days ago. That gives you an idea of what is happening internationally.
To segue into our main topic of discussion: today the Secretary General of NATO Anders Fogh Rasmussen, again called on quote: “All parties of Ukraine to desist from violence.”
I could only imagine if a comparable situation, one that’s… what is occurring in Kiev right now, were to be occurring in Brussels, if he say: “All parties in Belgium to refrain from violence”, when state security personnel are being shot to death and set on fire with Molotov cocktails, if he would have such a balanced perspective, of course he would not.
Robles: Regarding Ukraine, how many policemen have been injured already there?
Rozoff: The number is rising of course. But the latest report I see is that over 184 police officers have been wounded, 35 of them critically, and at least 7 of them have been shot to death.
Robles: What is the reaction from the US right now? Has Nuland come out condemning any of this? Has anybody in the US condemned this or are they all supporting it?
Rozoff: The US Ambassador to Ukraine, the same Geoffrey Pyatt who was caught on tape with Victoria Nuland in recent weeks, plotting the downfall of the current legitimate elected government in Kiev, threatened sanctions, mentioned the fact that sanctions could be enforced against all parties.
It is impossible to levy sanctions against fascist guttersnipes and mobsters who are on a rampage, they have no assets that can be seized and no trade that can be halted and so forth. So, this is a unilateral threat to the Government of Ukraine, which is under siege, quite literally under siege, with government buildings being stormed, personnel being seized captive, even killed. In the case of the central headquarters of the ruling party in the country, the Party of Regions, where a member… presumably a member… a security office by one account, at their central headquarters in Kiev was murdered.
What we are seeing is almost gangland violence trying to pass itself off as political opposition.
What is very important to noted is that the president of the country Victor Yanukovich is to meet with three major opposition leaders: Yatsenyuk and Klitschko and Tyagnibok at 11:00. So something is going to be breaking at that point but there is a clear coordination between the opposition figures within the Parliament, within the Verkhovna Rada and the Molotov-cocktail-hurling-rifle-wielding so-called opposition outside.
Robles: I’m sorry, Rick, are there charges? Haven’t charges been pressed against Klitschko and, what is his name, Yatsenyuk? Aren’t they facing charges already? And if you could, can you tell us about..you told me before we started about videos you saw, that they were actually… someone had a sniper rifle or something, a rifle with a scope and they were actually just shooting policemen.
Rozoff: That is exactly it, you know anyone who e-mails me at email@example.com, I’d be glad to give then a link to that video. It is circulating, somebody in Italy has sent it out and there are several similar videos. This is one of the more stark I’ve seen.
It shows a young, so-called “activist” as US would portray him, with (exactly) a sniper rifle with a scope, firing presumably at police or other security personnel, somebody else has a hand gone and is firing.
So there are weapons on the street. And clearly the fact that 7 security personnel have been shot dead confirms of that that firearms are being used.
Again, I don’t know in which other capital city in the world this sort of behavior would be tolerated, much less portrayed by western leaders as being legitimate opposition protest behavior when what you are talking about is cold blooded murder.
Robles: Can you imagine in the US that people have started shooting police just openly on the street?
Rozoff:I hate to put it in such stark and graphic terms, but the only way I could characterize this is: they’d be sweeping their brains off the street for the next day.
Robles: I mean how can they possibly get away with trying to support this? What are the American people, I mean the average people, thinking about this?
Rozoff:Unfortunately the average person doesn’t go to the Internet and look up videos which are readily accessible. But I would have to say largely in the Russian media as I don’t know anywhere else in the world we are seeing these videos, even there are often times western news agencies – Reuters, BBC and so forth. But because of the controlled nature of news particularly in relation to foreign affairs in the US and other NATO countries we are only seeing the doctored and sanitized version.
And I often argue this, John, I think perhaps even on your show – it is an equivalent of somebody walking into a movie theater where the hero has finally taken enough from the villain and starts fighting back. And when you see that, and only that, it is very difficult to confuse the characters and to believe that the perpetrator is the victim and vice versa. It is one of the methods used by the western establishment. So called news media, which are really propaganda outlets, to portray the “peaceful protestors being assaulted without provocation by brutal security forces”.
But again, you are correct in stating: where something like this to happen in Washington DC, or Paris, or London, I can assure you the first police officer who was injured in any manner, would be the cause for a crackdown, the likes of which wouldn’t be forgotten in a hurry. However the trick about the “regime change”, so-called “color revolution technique”, which is: to place the targeted government in a situation where if they do not respond harshly, they are seen as vulnerable and then the violence is escalated. If they make any effort, no matter how belated, to even defend themselves, it is seen as being a gross violation of human rights and portrayed that way by the western governments and their rather formidable media outlets.
And this is a situation that I believe is occurring right now in Kiev. But we have to..anyone who has seen this, who has gone to my website or Russian websites and has seen the actual fires in downtown Kiev, this is again the capital city of a European country going up in flames, for the second time in 15 years we saw Belgrade similarly set of fire by NATO bombers, what will be 15 years from next month, if this is a new world order what you are seeing is a resumption of fascistic brutal violent uprisings which ultimately are backed by the US and its cohort of NATO military powers. And what I fear right now, if the violence is not halted very quickly in Ukraine you are going to see full-fledged, if not civil war, you are going to see foreign-backed-armed-insurgency, if not comparable in every particular to what’s happening in Syria at least similar in terms of its basic dynamic.
Robles: I’d like to make a comment here for… and this might be a little unusual… for American law enforcement officers, police officers in the US. I’d like to make a plea for them, look at what’s happening to their colleagues in Ukraine and call their senators or whoever and ask them: “How can they possibly support this?” What do you think?
Rozoff: That is a very good point. A lot of Chicago police officers incidentally are of Ukrainian ethnic background, there is a neighborhood not terribly far from where I am called Ukrainian Village, as a matter of fact. And to see their colleagues and there is, let’s be honest, there is a special sense of fraternity or comradery between people of the same professions around the world particularly those that entail some degree of personal danger. And for police officers around the world to be watching this: you know, I would suggest that there is an understanding they themselves could be next if some western supported insurgent uprising of the sort that is occurring on the streets of Kiev.
Incidentally there is a report by INTERFAX Ukraine that armed groups in Western Ukraine and Lviv have been intercepted by security personnel on route to Kiev. So what you are talking about is something almost comparable to, say, Generalissimo Franko’s march on Madrid, Spain in the late 30s counting on the fifth column (the infamous fifth column) supporters within the city to assist them and so forth. But this is nothing less than an effort to topple a legitimate government in Europe in the 21st century through vicious street violence, the sort one may have associated with Adolf Hitler’s attempt to Beer Hall Putsch in 1923 or Mussolini’s March on Rome. This is the kind of sick fascist filth we are seeing in Ukraine.
Robles: I see.
This is John Robles. You were listening to an interview with Mr Rick Rozoff, the Owner and Manager of the Stop NATO website and international mailing list. This is a weekly feature of the Voice of Russia. You can find other work by me and by Mr Rick Rozoff on our website at voiceofrussia.com. Thank you very much for listening and we wish you the best wherever in the world you may be.